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PostSubject: Addressing Members Concerns   Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:08 pm

So, I read up on the chat log and came across Xion's and other members perceived problems with the site and the way it runs.

First of all, on the issue of other members abilities and whatnot, do not bring it up and proceed to bash/judge it. Do remember nothing is permanent and is bound to change should problems arise. If an ability that you see as OP happens to be approved by the staff, don't fret - because if it really is as over-powered as you make it seem, changes will be suggested to tame it down.

Secondly, the issue of Lieutenants not being as "powerful" as Captains and whatnot - that's how it's supposed to be. But hold on ... we have an Update section for GROWTH of a character to be accounted for. So, you work so hard for your semi-elite to finally become an elite and yet, nothing of his/her powers seem to change, that seems rather unfair, isn't it? But as you know, the Character Updates Section is meant for this - to UPDATE your character, abilities and whatnot (granted your abilities "evolve" to be "stronger" RP-wise, as in, you actually role-play it out steadily throughout your character's growth, it's not just sudden). So yes, to address the issue of "semi elites not coming about to be as equal as starting elites when they do reach elites," that way of thinking is false for they do become just as strong. They just have to work for it and then you update whatever. Do not underestimate or limit yourself. Character Updates are meant for such things.

I feel as though I've addressed most of the problems that resonated among you members in the chat box. Is there anything else I'm missing?

Also, take note of the newly-improved Soul Currency System, as I think that might help you out with some of the questions you might have.

Before you post here, please think. Do not be aggressive. Be courteous with your responses/suggestions, don't try and assert anything or remotely mention anything concerning other members abilities, as that is none of your business and you shouldn't be snooping around territory that aren't yours.

Be open-minded. Our minds are like parachutes, they only function when open. Keep that in mind. The staff of course will also be as open-minded as our wisdom permits us.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:51 am

Thank you Suo for addressing the concerns. I as well as others just noticed things and I was being vocal about it. I do realize that no system is perfect so with that in mind I trust the judgement of the staff to properly regulate the powers in regards to abilities such as Shikai, Bankai, and the other race abilities. Thanks again for addressing them if no one else says so then at least I will. However, if blades are not anyone's concern other then the staff then why even list them for the public to see in the first place? If we are not to be worried about the abilities of others when we are fighting them then why even display them where they are visible? Also, how are we to press concerns over the power of another if suspected bias has been utilized in the acceptance of abilities? If the checks and balances are not properly in place then what recourse do we as members have if we feel a review of our abilities should be made by a staff member other then the one who reviewed it initially? Do we have a system for review based arbitration in regards to abilities? Also, if there is not such a problem then why is it that depending on the member of staff who reviews an ability the outcome can be different depending on the person reviewing without a basic sense of continuity between the reviewers as if each reviewer has a different set of guidelines?
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:21 am

Honestly this isn't a suggestion so it should be handled through PM first off lol
Secondly they aren't your concern until you fight them and even then they aren't for that is meta gaming because even if you don't mean to you will do it no if and or buts so really look at them when needed or used on you otherwise again not your concern. Also for the review of applications it can not be a set guideline for every ability has its own restrictions so to begin with there is no base guideline. So that solves that everything is different. Also why get reviewed by another staff member if you trust their judgement that changes your whole beginning argument just pointing that out. And for the other concerns again I feel you should take this to a Pm for it is not a suggestion but more of a polite complain Very Happy Hope I didn't come off as a dick but yea just had to throw my two cents in seeing as really I am one of the most active people and this site is ran rather smoothly than others and really from and active stand point only problem that I have is vizard mission updates however other than that they give great lead way to better yourself IC and if you feel you are weaker for you are semi elite then an elite will it is in the name your a semi of course starting off you are lower that is just common sense also do mission before complaining about that so in turn this all is BS and you need to just work for stuff not try and get hand fed lol that is all.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:52 am

No your not coming off as a dick in fact people need strong opinions it is what makes critical thinking fun. Also, another perspective is good. Now, in any bureaucratic system including other sites not just us but any, there is a system of arbitration. If you apply to college and those of us in school or who have been to school know if you apply and do not say get accepted but feel you still fulfill the requirements then they will have another person in a similar capacity review your credentials before making their own informed decision. I am just surprised we don't have one is all. Another thing, if bias is taken into account when approving someone's blade then how does one know if all things are equal in relation to creating a fair and unbiased system of guidelines and regulations that everyone plays under? Yes every ability is different however, there should still be a consensus for a general feel for what is acceptable and what is not i.e. a site based societial norm. As far as taking it to PM, if I would have done that you wouldn't have had a forum to speak on correct Very Happy ? Therefore, this medium, is a good way for people to air things out. I love Rping here and as I tell people outside of the internet, "Don't be offended this is only my opinion ain't nothing that I say is law." So it is just a few thoughts and perceptions I have from my singular scope of awareness. Thanks for commenting though, I appreciate it! Also, you can still find a leader to be fully qualified for their capacity however, if they make a decision that seems queer, then are we not allowed the ability to get a second opinion? For instance, you go see a doctor who you have trusted and known for years yet he gives you a diagnosis are you then strange for wanting to seek a second opinion? I don't want to come over as being a dick or hard to deal with it or a non-team player, I was just venting some concerns while keeping it in an orderly and polite fashion.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:58 am

I think a big issue is consistency, especially with powers. Does someone have +5 to kidou, but your only allowed +2. That seems highly unfair, I'm fairly new, but that seems to be the underlying current. Why should you have to bitch at someone else during a fight about there powers, when its staff's job no? Why should someone get +5 and you get +2 because some unknown reason staff fails to cite? Why should staff take a wait and see approach to such powers? Its not there "rp" behinds that have to fight it, instead just deny it if you want to "see" if it will be OP or give someone an advantage if they are fighting a "borderline" power. Because its not fair to have to be the test subject of staff's OP meter, especially when its not staff doing the testing.

I honestly think that under those conditions staff should be reprimanded and have either both powers denied, or both accepted, but in either case said staff shouldn't be involved. I know it sounds like I'm a asshole, but I've always disliked how someone who has an power, and someone who has a oddly similar power, one is approved and the other denied. And then staff clam up and say "you don't know about the decision that went into there approval" Its just an excuse to not be effective at your job.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:27 am

Dousen for your seconds statement you went to far for you don't know what is going on in the staff chat so stfu lol that second statement is just whiny bullshit and really you are ignorant for thinking that is an excuse for they all have good reason for approval or denial and I suo said not to mention other peoples application which you just did so play think before posting another comment that is all Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:11 am

I didn't mention other people's applications (I believe Suo said abilities), nor did I even encroach on to what Suo was talking about. I made general statements, I didn't talk about any members abilities, nor even get remotely close. I find that your attitude is a bit sour, considering how the entire basis of this is about that subject.

I don't find it whiny or bullshit that a staff can say "you don't know the process" when both Suo and Jushiro have preached transparency and reason. Members should know the process as to why one person's abilities are approved, and another oddly similar one is denied, especially when facing things like abilities. I really find your reply aggressive and uncontentious, especially when you say I should read his reply and you tell me to "stfu" and call me "ignorant". I was just trying to help with that everyone wasn't talking about.

Staff should have consistency when grading applications, and shouldn't let members be test subjects to there borderline decisions on what is "OP" or not. Staff shouldn't hide behind the "process" or there "decision", if a member has a question, it should be answered honestly and with truth. Not use attempts to avoid the reasons or such for there decisions.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:55 am

Well I see how you find my attitude sour but the mods/admin usually do explain why they are doing whatever they are doing in app I have only seen that excuse in the chatbox when they are joking but if you can show me an application what has that as a legit excuse or comeback I will take back my earlier statement and apologize but again I still feel that the some what bashing idk if on purpose or by wording was not called for and maybe could be said differently however I now see what you mean except for the excuse part but again link me and I will admit I was in the wrong. Actually rather PM me.
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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:14 am

Sorry. I must request that you all refrain post large ass blobs of text. They strain the eyes. Make proper paragraphs. This is just a general statement. Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Addressing Members Concerns   Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:28 am

Disclaimer: I do not speak for the staff, I speak from my own opinion as both a member and an administrator.

@Xion - There also isn't any way to make it so that absolutely no one can see your ability. Because even if a rival group is not capable of seeing your ability, your fellow race members are. We just suggest you don't look at other peoples applications and compare them to your own. First off not everyone has the same ideas or the same functions for their weapons. Circumstantial evidence is the deciding factor on how strong a weapon can be. Just cause you and another member have projectile based fire weapons, doesn't mean we are going to grade them the same. Yours might contain the power of explosive fire as to where they only afflict burning to a target. With free-forming creativity comes circumstantial grading. Unless we severed your creativity in order to regulate the powers better, everything is opinion based. That is why the staff here grade differently. What is correct to a staffer might be incorrect to a member, what is correct to a member may be incorrect to another member. And what that member finds incorrect may actually be found correct by a staffer. This is a non-canon roleplay. We don't have a gauge of allotted powers. Unless we implement stats. Also this isn't a mmo.

@Brink - Chill haha.

@Dousen - Lawl. This isn't a site that has fixed limitations. Just because both people have similar weapons doesn't mean a damn thing. There may be overwhelming advantages that one has over the other. Because they do have those differences that are a cause for tweaking. People with area of effect abilities are going to be weaker power-stat wise than someone with a focused weapon. It's how we balance things out here. Element is a factor. Type is a factor. Rank is a factor. Appliance is a factor. All parts of the whole are factors in how we grade, and one change in those parts either gives someone a benefit or a hindrance. It's all based on the potential of the weapon. Just cause you apply something that seems reasonable at first doesn't mean we will grade it that way. Especially when we know you have two more ability UPGRADES that you can apply for that will tip your powers into unfair land. That is why we must balance, that is why it seems unfair. People talk about how Jushiro's application is allowed benefits theirs isn't. They don't realize he actually has ability upgrades in play. Which annoys the fuck out of me. They don't read before they bitch.

@All - To sum it up, for powers at least. All parts of the whole are how we judge your app. Or at least how I personally judge the applications. Not sure how the others do it, but my method is effective enough.

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